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-Hello.
I'm Brian Callanan.

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After months of debate,

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the city council has finally
passed legislation

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on public drug use
and possession.

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Will officers be making
more arrests?

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Are there enough
drug treatment services

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for those
who need help?

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And it's budget time.

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What issues are shaping up
as top priorities for the city?

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Plus, are you ready
for a new way to vote

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for city council members?

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I'm talking with
citywide council member

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Sara Nelson
about these questions

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and the ones you're sending in,
too, next on "Council Edition."

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-It doesn't really matter
who is paying the check

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at a small business
downtown,

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whether or not they're on
vacation or on business travel,

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that helps our
small businesses downtown

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and throughout
the city.

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-It's all next
on "Council Edition."

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And here she is,

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Citywide Council Position
nine Councilmember Sara Nelson.

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Very good to have you
with me.

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Thanks for being here.
How are you doing?

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-Thanks for having
me back.

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I'm doing well.
How are you?

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-I'm great.
I'm great.

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Thank you for making time
for this.

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I want to jump into
the ordinance

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that the city has been working
on over the past several months

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to make public drug use
or drug possession

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gross misdemeanors,
in line with state law.

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And just two concepts
to bring home, here, folks --

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this law intends to give
officers more clarity as to

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when they can make an arrest,
asking them to determine

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if a person is causing harm
to the public.

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The new law would also invest
more in drug treatment options

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for people
dealing with addiction.

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Now, you've been talking about
legislation like this

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since April --
the end of April, there.

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You held a press conference
with city attorney

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Anne Davison,
Councilmember Peterson.

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Looking back
on what you proposed then

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and what the council
is working on right now,

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did the Council
get it right?

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Some thoughts
about that?

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-Well, it's interesting,
because what we proposed

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initially was to prohibit public
use as a simple misdemeanor.

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So, it is interesting
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that we're going -- that --
in following state law,

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we're about to make
possession

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and public use
a gross misdemeanor.

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The conversation has changed
since back then.

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And I am simply glad
that we are finally doing

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what we need to do all along,
which is conform with state law,

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and provide another incentive
for people to get into treatment

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and -- and finally address
this problem head-on.

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-Got it.

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And what has changed,
in terms of that discussion?

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You mentioned that it's --
that that rhetoric, I guess,

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has changed
a little bit.

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How would you
describe that?

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-Sure.

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Well, this is all occurred
within the backdrop

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of what was going on
in Olympia.

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So, the legislation that
City Attorney Davidson,

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Councilmember Peters,
and I put forward in April,

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we put that forward
about three days

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after the legislature closed
without a resolution.

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-There was that special
session that needed to happen.

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That's right.
-Right.

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And then, there was rumor
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was going to call
a special session.

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And so, the initial --
within a week of or of the --

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of our announcement,

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my councilmember colleagues
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"We can't do
anything now,

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because we need to wait until
the special session resolves,

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because we don't want to be
out of alignment

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with other jurisdictions
and state law."

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And so, we thought, "Okay."

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So, then,
they came out with the --

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with the new law
making it a gross misdemeanor.

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We resubmitted simple
conforming legislation.

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-Right.

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-But then
the conversation changed.

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We were trying to conform
with state law

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and neighboring jurisdictions,
but the conversation shifted to,

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"Well..."

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You know,
some people were saying,

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"Just let's not do this
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And other people were saying
"It's another war on drugs."

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Other people were saying that
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the the system set up
for diversion.

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So, that's what I mean when
I say the conversation shifted.

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But from the get go,
I've been clear

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that what's happening right now
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because we have
skyrocketing overdoses

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from fentanyl
and other drugs.

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And so, we have got to do
something soon to address this.

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-Thank you.

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I'm gonna dive into
some of those different points

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you were bringing up here,

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because you were working on
an amendment with this law

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that removed the requirement
for officers

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to make a reasonable attempt
to get services

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for someone using drugs
before arresting them.

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Some people, I know,
have concerns about this,

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and I know
you've heard them.

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One writer put it
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"Very sad how the changes
in the language

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simply move
the discretionary action

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down to the level of
the police officer.

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We've all seen how
their discretion seems to go."

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I know some people
see it differently.

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This writer, not supportive
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this much discretion
in these cases.

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Help me out
with this amendment.

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Why did you make it?

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What do you think
it's going to accomplish?

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-First of all, by writing
the assessment of the threat

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to harm to others
directly into the law,

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we've still got the judgment
of the officer center stage.

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-Right.
-Okay?

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And I was concerned that if --
if that --

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you know, if the...

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it would be very easy to --
to -- to have --

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although they will have probable
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-Right. Right.

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That needs to happen first.
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-Those cases
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They could be dismissed
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Mind you, trial and jail,
all of that is not the goal.

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But if the legitimacy of the --
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turns on the decision making
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that complicates things.

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-I see.

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-And it also -- I said
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that if the --
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is, um, is basically
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then we could be
opening ourselves up

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to charges of
biased policing.

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So, either way, I thought that
that was a complicating factor.

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It's less so by removing
the mandatory directive.

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In other words,
there is still discretion.

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Even without putting that
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their actions are based on
their discretion every day.

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And so, therefore, I was trying
to remove risk to the city.

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-I see.

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Rather than make it
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allow officers
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which can include this idea of
diversion treatment, et cetera.

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-Absolutely.

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We -- I think there is
widespread agreement that --

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that...

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an officer
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the goal is to
allow for stopping

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potentially negative behavior
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and then
helping steward

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that person into
a diversion program.

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-Thank you for that.

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And I want to talk about those
programs just a little bit,

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because the mayor
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more treatment options,
diversion services,

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to help deal with
our drug crisis.

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I know the challenge is
how you pay for them.

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Councilmember Mosqueda
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this concern
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pointing out that
two major services

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the city
refers people to --

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LEAD, Let Everyone Advance
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and PDA, Purpose, Dignity,
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have been operating
with one-time funding

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for the past
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-If we don't fill this
funding gap, it will harm

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LEAD and PDA's ability
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which are the centerpiece of
what supposedly makes this bill

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different from previously --
previous iterations.

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-Councilmember Nelson,

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I just want to get your thoughts
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for these diversion
and treatment programs.

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How do you fund them now
and into the future?

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This is a very important
part of this.

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-I appreciate
that question.

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The fact is that every other
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of Washington has confirmed,
by now, to state law.

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And I'm sure that they --
many of them

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are cash-strapped
to pay for diversion,

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which is called for
and encouraged in the state law.

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So, um, so all cities
are in the same position.

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But it seems as though
only in Seattle

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is this producing
a barrier

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to actually conforming
to state law.

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So I do want to put that
on the table.

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-And what I will say
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there will never be
enough money to --

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to probably, um,

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meet all the needs
of the people in our city.

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-That's fair.

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-And so, right now, the --
the LEAD and co-LEAD --

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the 2023 budget is 29--
$29 Million.

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-Yes.

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-The mayor's --
And most of that comes from --

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from the city
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The mayor's legislation calls
for $27 Million.

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There's 51--

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There are $51 million
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that will go to
local jurisdictions.

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What matters to me is --
is that money is being spent

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to help people
put their lives back together,

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and -- and hopefully attain
treatment that will help them

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potentially with multiple
drug -- substance use disorders.

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And so, I don't feel that
we should be holding hostage

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the potential of helping people
right now if we're...

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in a --- in a --
in a debate over

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exactly how much is --
is necessary.

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People are dying
right now.

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Right now.

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And the longer we dither,
the more people will die.

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And we have got to -- we've got
to get something on the books

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so that we can provide
another incentive

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for people
to get into treatment.

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-Thank you.

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And I guess
that's been the point.

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I mean, the services and the
fact that they're underfunded,

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that's been an issue
long before the Blake case

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even came to light.

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Is that kind of where
you're going with this?

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-That's where I'm going
with it.

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And it is not trivial.
It is not trivial at all.

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I am not saying that.

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I am just saying
that we can --

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if we can go down
a rabbit hole of debate

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over how much is enough
before we'll do this,

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or we can do it
right now,

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and address soaring overdose
fatalities and -- and --

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and a lot of the crime that's
associated with the drug trade.

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-Yeah.

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Let's talk about
that criminal piece,

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and how these cases
might get prosecuted

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if criminal charges
are warranted here.

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I know the city attorney
pulled out of the agreement

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the city had
with the municipal court

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for the community court system
back in June.

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Is there something else
in place,

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a drug court or something
along those lines,

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where these possession
and use cases could be heard?

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Do you know
what's going on there?

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-Well, I do
because I am a member

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of that subgroup of the mayor's
Fentanyl Systems task force.

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-Right.

256
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-And so, it met two or three
times over the past --

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well, since it was announced
early in June.

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-Right.

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-And those conversations
are continuing.

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What will replace
community court.

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So, I do have to note,
however,

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that -- that that issue
is not directly related

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to the the prosecution
of possession and public use.

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Drug crimes
in and of themselves

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did not go through
community court.

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The -- The -- The city
attorney's announcement

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that that program would end
occurred at the same time

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when we were talking about this,
the first piece of legislation.

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-Yeah. In April. Right.

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-April or so. Yes.

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So, the issues
became conflated in --

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in the public
consciousness.

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And -- And there was a lot of
emotion about community court.

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But unfortunately,
the two -- the two are separate.

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-Okay.

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I guess what -- what is
going to come out of it?

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What would you like
to see come out of it,

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in terms of a court system
that deals with something

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that might represent
more like a drug court,

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some diversion
possibilities there?

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What do you want to see
come out?

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What kind of system?

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-What I learned
in these discussions --

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and there were --
there were judges and staff

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from the city attorney's
office,

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another council member,
Lisa Dugard.

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There were a lot of people

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that knew a lot more
about community court.

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What I learned was that
that was

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the third iteration
of community court.

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-I see.

292
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-So, um, so, clearly,
each iteration

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had some issues,
and needed to be improved.

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And so, I am not in a position,
with all humility,

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to say what should
come from that.

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I do believe that
a form of drug court is --

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would be really great,
because that directly --

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that directly addresses
substance use disorder.

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However, what I've been told
in those meetings

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is that that is
extremely expensive

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because there has to be
some kind of contracting

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or relationship
with providers.

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-I see.

304
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-So I will let the people
that know more

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make the final say
in what comes from that.

306
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-Right.
And this work is ongoing.

307
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And I just wanted to
talk about this

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to wrap up
this conversation --

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in terms of putting
this together,

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I think you're right in saying
that not all these pieces

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have to be in place --
like drug court, et cetera --

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before law is passed,

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but it does make for some
uncertainty, I guess, out there.

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It's like, "Well,
what happens with the court?

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Well, wait, how are we
going to pay for it?"

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And I guess, in wrapping up
this conversation,

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Councilmember Nelson,
what do you --

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what do you hope comes out of
the passage of this law?

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Where are we going to go
from here?

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What's our drug crisis going to
look like a year from now?

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And what type of an effect
will this law have on that?

322
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-What I hope
will come out

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is that the overdose fatality
numbers will go down,

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that -- that -- that people feel
safer going to and from work,

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and circulating downtown,

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and -- and that we --
we finally address head-on

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what has been lurking
and growing in -- in --

328
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in this region for a long time,
which is our fentanyl crisis.

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Washington state had the highest
number of overdoses in 2022

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than any other state
in the nation.

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So, it is high time that we
actually do something different.

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We have to do something
in addition to

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what we have been doing in order
to reverse those trends.

334
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-Thank you very much.

335
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I'm gonna move on
to some other work

336
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that the council
has been doing --

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actually some work
on a new

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Seattle tourism
improvement area,

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trying to ramp up tourism
in the city with a new

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2.3% fee applied to hotels
in this area.

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Basically, we're talking about
an area that goes from

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Galer Street
to Royal Brougham,

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and the Waterfront
up to 12th Avenue.

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I thought that there were
two slides

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that the council saw from
Visit Seattle on this topic

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that made for
a very compelling story.

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One of them --
projected bookings

348
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for Seattle's
new convention center

349
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aren't looking great
over the next couple of years.

350
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Two, looking at how other
major cities invest in tourism,

351
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Seattle is not tops
on that list.

352
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You're aware of this.
I wanted to talk about this.

353
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What's going to change
with this new version

354
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of the STIA,
as it's called?

355
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-Okay, let me give --

356
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thank you very much
for your interest,

357
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because, yes, last week
in my committee was a big week

358
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for business
improvement areas.

359
00:14:24,367 --> 00:14:25,367
-Yes.

360
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-And the STIA --

361
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the Seattle Tourism
Improvement Area,

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is one of many BIAs.

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And the way it works
is that it --

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71 hotels charge
their guests a fee,

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and that fee
goes into a pot,

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so that Visit Seattle
can spend that money

367
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not just to --
not to promote those hotels,

368
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not to just to promote downtown,
Visit Seattle promotes Seattle

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and business districts
across the city.

370
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-Right.

371
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-And so, last year,
we renewed SCIA's fee.

372
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It went from $2 per night
per guest...

373
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-Yes.

374
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-...which it had been
for 10 years.

375
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-Right.
-To $4.

376
00:15:09,133 --> 00:15:10,367
-Okay.

377
00:15:10,367 --> 00:15:11,868
-That was a big improvement,
okay?

378
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But at the same time,

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it became clear that the --
that we now have

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this brand-new,
gorgeous convention center,

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and the budget for promoting
the convention center was --

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had suffered losses.

383
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And so, they --
they needed help.

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The convention center
needed some funding

385
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not just to
promote itself,

386
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but also to pay staff
to make those bookings.

387
00:15:35,968 --> 00:15:37,501
We can't have
a convention center

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if people aren't
using it.

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And -- And the money that --
that those hotels generated

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could only be used
to promote leisure travel.

391
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-Right. Right.
-Not business travel.

392
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-And convention stuff.
Right. Right.

393
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-Yeah.

394
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And so, this legislation allowed
for the use of that money

395
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to be --
to be spent also

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to help fill the --
the convention center

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and the hotels
that serve the guests there.

398
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And I'll tell you,
it doesn't really matter

399
00:16:03,467 --> 00:16:06,467
who is paying the check
at a small business downtown,

400
00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:08,934
whether or not they're on
vacation or on business travel,

401
00:16:08,934 --> 00:16:11,667
that helps our small businesses
downtown

402
00:16:11,667 --> 00:16:12,667
and throughout the city.

403
00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:14,033
-Right.

404
00:16:14,033 --> 00:16:15,367
And I should point out,
this STIA, the members of it,

405
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they agreed to assess themselves
these fees,

406
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and these sort of things,
to improve the tourism there.

407
00:16:20,033 --> 00:16:21,934
And it sounds like a lot of
the people in that area said,

408
00:16:21,934 --> 00:16:23,367
"Yes,
we do want to do this

409
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because of
what's going on here."

410
00:16:24,734 --> 00:16:25,934
-70%.
-Yeah.

411
00:16:25,934 --> 00:16:27,767
That -- That's a big deal.
That's a big deal.

412
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And I wanted to make sure
I pointed that out.

413
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But in terms of the impact
you're hoping this would have,

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00:16:32,133 --> 00:16:33,501
talk to me about this.

415
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Is this going to improve
those booking numbers

416
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,033
for the convention center,
let's say?

417
00:16:38,033 --> 00:16:40,701
Is this going to mean a bigger
investment into tourism

418
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for the city
of Seattle?

419
00:16:42,033 --> 00:16:44,167
And then, maybe,
if you could add on to that,

420
00:16:44,167 --> 00:16:45,501
what's gonna happen
with jobs?

421
00:16:45,501 --> 00:16:47,100
Because I know that's been
a bit of an issue, too,

422
00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,234
trying to build back
that tourism industry

423
00:16:49,234 --> 00:16:50,734
and the jobs that are
really important with it.

424
00:16:50,734 --> 00:16:54,367
I mean, a $7.4 billion a year
type of industry here,

425
00:16:54,367 --> 00:16:55,834
this is a big deal
for King County.

426
00:16:55,834 --> 00:16:56,968
-Absolutely.

427
00:16:56,968 --> 00:16:58,434
And people can look back
at this summer, and say,

428
00:16:58,434 --> 00:17:00,534
"Hey, tourism is great
in Seattle."

429
00:17:00,534 --> 00:17:01,767
That's a great time
to visit Seattle.

430
00:17:01,767 --> 00:17:02,968
-Right.

431
00:17:02,968 --> 00:17:04,267
-But we are also
talking about the need

432
00:17:04,267 --> 00:17:07,200
to promote conventions
throughout the year.

433
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,634
And people book conventions
years in advance.

434
00:17:09,634 --> 00:17:11,834
Okay, so we are
talking jobs

435
00:17:11,834 --> 00:17:14,801
and we're talking
the promotion of Seattle.

436
00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:17,434
And I don't know
if I got to this point,

437
00:17:17,434 --> 00:17:20,000
but so it had been $4.

438
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,100
-Yes.

439
00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:22,501
-And with passage
of this legislation,

440
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the fee will
go to 2.3%

441
00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:26,200
-You mentioned
that earlier.

442
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,334
-Right.
-Yes.

443
00:17:27,334 --> 00:17:29,534
And so, that allows --
so that means

444
00:17:29,534 --> 00:17:34,234
that the fee is is proportionate
to the cost of the stay.

445
00:17:34,234 --> 00:17:35,501
-And grow over time,
et cetera.

446
00:17:35,501 --> 00:17:36,501
-Right.

447
00:17:36,501 --> 00:17:37,934
And it's not regressive,

448
00:17:37,934 --> 00:17:39,667
so that a guest who's staying
in a more expensive hotel

449
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pays more than somebody
who's staying in

450
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,634
a less expensive hotel.

451
00:17:42,634 --> 00:17:44,100
This is what
Portland does.

452
00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:45,367
-Yeah.

453
00:17:45,367 --> 00:17:47,200
And we're competing
against Portland for the --

454
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,367
that business travel.

455
00:17:48,367 --> 00:17:50,534
And so, I am hoping
that this will make

456
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Seattle more competitive
and provide more money

457
00:17:53,167 --> 00:17:54,968
at the same time
for our --

458
00:17:54,968 --> 00:17:57,400
to promote our businesses
and to grow our job base.

459
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,567
-Got it.

460
00:17:58,567 --> 00:17:59,567
Can you touch briefly
on what's happening

461
00:17:59,567 --> 00:18:01,033
with the Ballard
improvement area?

462
00:18:01,033 --> 00:18:03,234
Because I know
that one was approved recently,

463
00:18:03,234 --> 00:18:04,467
too, in committee.

464
00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:05,934
What's that going to do
for that neighborhood?

465
00:18:05,934 --> 00:18:07,000
Because I know they've --

466
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,334
they've been through a lot,
there,

467
00:18:08,334 --> 00:18:09,801
and they're certainly
looking for some support.

468
00:18:09,801 --> 00:18:12,133
Talk to me about Ballard, and
what's happening in that area.

469
00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:13,267
-Sure.

470
00:18:13,267 --> 00:18:16,801
So, again, Ballard is --
the Ballard Alliance

471
00:18:16,801 --> 00:18:19,901
is another one of the city's
business improvement areas.

472
00:18:19,901 --> 00:18:20,901
-Right.

473
00:18:20,901 --> 00:18:22,501
-And just so
your folks know,

474
00:18:22,501 --> 00:18:27,868
these ratepayers
agreed to charge themselves.

475
00:18:27,868 --> 00:18:29,200
-Right. Mm-hmm.

476
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,167
-So -- And that money
goes into a pot of money that,

477
00:18:33,167 --> 00:18:36,634
in most cases, is used to
beautify the neighborhood,

478
00:18:36,634 --> 00:18:38,767
pick up trash,
remove graffiti,

479
00:18:38,767 --> 00:18:41,400
put lights in the trees
at holiday time,

480
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,334
promote the local
businesses,

481
00:18:43,334 --> 00:18:45,300
put on festivals,
all of those things.

482
00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:47,400
That's not just good
for the businesses that are --

483
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,834
or the property owners
that are paying that money,

484
00:18:49,834 --> 00:18:51,434
it's good for the neighborhood
as a whole.

485
00:18:51,434 --> 00:18:52,868
-Sure.

486
00:18:52,868 --> 00:18:54,834
-And -- And it's good for
Seattle in general.

487
00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:56,167
So...

488
00:18:56,167 --> 00:18:59,801
so we owe a debt of gratitude
to all of our --

489
00:18:59,801 --> 00:19:02,067
all of our BIAs
and the ratepayers that --

490
00:19:02,067 --> 00:19:05,667
that agree to pay this,
which benefits all of us.

491
00:19:05,667 --> 00:19:09,334
And we saw that there was
really strong support

492
00:19:09,334 --> 00:19:11,734
for the renewal of the Mid
downtown, as well.

493
00:19:11,734 --> 00:19:13,067
-Right, right.
Another example.

494
00:19:13,067 --> 00:19:14,300
-Yeah.

495
00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:16,868
So, -- So, essentially,
with the Ballard BIA,

496
00:19:16,868 --> 00:19:21,267
I believe that it --
it had started in 2011.

497
00:19:21,267 --> 00:19:22,534
-Yes.

498
00:19:22,534 --> 00:19:24,267
-And there is no change
to the assessment.

499
00:19:24,267 --> 00:19:25,400
-Okay.

500
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,767
-However, there is
some slight modification

501
00:19:26,767 --> 00:19:29,667
to the boundary of the --
of the BIA itself.

502
00:19:29,667 --> 00:19:30,968
-Okay. Okay.

503
00:19:30,968 --> 00:19:32,234
So, those benefits
will still keep coming in.

504
00:19:32,234 --> 00:19:33,434
Thank you very much
for that.

505
00:19:33,434 --> 00:19:35,000
I wanted to talk about
an interesting issue

506
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,501
before the council
recently --

507
00:19:36,501 --> 00:19:39,334
how we vote to put council
members like you in office.

508
00:19:39,334 --> 00:19:40,934
The council is talking
about staggering

509
00:19:40,934 --> 00:19:42,701
those terms,
such that we would vote

510
00:19:42,701 --> 00:19:44,934
for four members in one year,
five the next,

511
00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:47,267
so we don't have all
seven district seats up at once

512
00:19:47,267 --> 00:19:49,000
like we have this year,
for example.

513
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,133
This would be
a charter amendment,

514
00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:52,601
so it would require
a public vote.

515
00:19:52,601 --> 00:19:55,934
Why are you
considering this?

516
00:19:55,934 --> 00:19:57,400
-You will have to ask
the proponents.

517
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,767
-Okay. Okay.

518
00:19:58,767 --> 00:20:00,534
-This has not been
referred yet.

519
00:20:00,534 --> 00:20:02,400
It has been discussed
once

520
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,434
in the Finance
and Housing Committee.

521
00:20:04,434 --> 00:20:05,868
-Okay.

522
00:20:05,868 --> 00:20:07,667
Do you think it's a good idea,
is what I was putting out?

523
00:20:07,667 --> 00:20:08,667
No.
-Oh, okay.

524
00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:10,000
-I do not.

525
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,100
First, and primarily
based on the principle

526
00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:16,033
that our current system,
our seven districts

527
00:20:16,033 --> 00:20:19,767
and our two citywide positions,
and when they are on the ballot,

528
00:20:19,767 --> 00:20:23,968
that was the product of
a citizens initiative in 2013.

529
00:20:23,968 --> 00:20:25,367
-Okay.

530
00:20:25,367 --> 00:20:26,767
-And here
we're about to --

531
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,901
one council member is saying
that we should change it,

532
00:20:28,901 --> 00:20:31,634
with very little
public discussion,

533
00:20:31,634 --> 00:20:34,934
and without really
articulating

534
00:20:34,934 --> 00:20:37,334
what is the problem
that this will solve,

535
00:20:37,334 --> 00:20:39,434
and what is the evidence
of that problem.

536
00:20:39,434 --> 00:20:43,634
That's what I take into any --
really any policy discussion,

537
00:20:43,634 --> 00:20:46,100
but especially when it comes
to elections.

538
00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:47,567
-Yeah.

539
00:20:47,567 --> 00:20:49,834
-And even especially especially
when that election system

540
00:20:49,834 --> 00:20:52,300
was a product of --
of a people's initiative.

541
00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:54,534
Okay?
So...So that is the thing

542
00:20:54,534 --> 00:20:57,067
I did talk to
Eugene Wasserman,

543
00:20:57,067 --> 00:21:00,267
who was the chair of the Seattle
District Now Committee

544
00:21:00,267 --> 00:21:01,868
that put that
on the ballot.

545
00:21:01,868 --> 00:21:04,167
And I -- And in fact,
there were some good reasons

546
00:21:04,167 --> 00:21:05,968
why it was set up
the way it was.

547
00:21:05,968 --> 00:21:09,234
And the four citywide positions,
to council members,

548
00:21:09,234 --> 00:21:11,200
mayor,
and city attorney

549
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,000
we're -- we're not on the ballot
at the same time on purpose.

550
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,834
And I can go into
the reasons for that.

551
00:21:17,834 --> 00:21:21,200
But there was a well-reasoned,
um, set --

552
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,701
rationale for the way that
it was set up.

553
00:21:24,701 --> 00:21:29,200
And I think just going in and --
and moving things around

554
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,334
without really talking about
what will be the pros and cons,

555
00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:36,868
it does a disservice to our
democratic system right now.

556
00:21:36,868 --> 00:21:37,968
-It would be
a public vote.

557
00:21:37,968 --> 00:21:39,167
I mean,
the public would have

558
00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:40,701
the chance to decide
on something like this.

559
00:21:40,701 --> 00:21:43,267
And I guess the idea -- just for
a little Devil's Advocate, here,

560
00:21:43,267 --> 00:21:45,334
I think the idea
is to try to avoid

561
00:21:45,334 --> 00:21:47,734
as much institutional turnover
in case,

562
00:21:47,734 --> 00:21:50,434
let's say, all seven positions
are up and different.

563
00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:52,434
We have new people in office.
That's great.

564
00:21:52,434 --> 00:21:53,734
But at the same time,

565
00:21:53,734 --> 00:21:54,968
there's a certain
learning curve, as you know,

566
00:21:54,968 --> 00:21:57,100
with City Hall, in terms
of getting council members

567
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,767
up to speed on how to
pass legislation and stuff.

568
00:21:59,767 --> 00:22:01,000
Your thoughts
on that piece of it.

569
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,834
I guess the other side
of the argument.

570
00:22:02,834 --> 00:22:04,801
-Well, first of all,
I'll say -- Devil's Advocate.

571
00:22:04,801 --> 00:22:06,234
-Okay.

572
00:22:06,234 --> 00:22:08,601
-If people want to throw out
all seven, they have that right.

573
00:22:08,601 --> 00:22:09,801
-That's right.
-All right?

574
00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:13,601
And so --
But at the same time...

575
00:22:13,601 --> 00:22:16,000
I have not heard
any complaints...

576
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,467
-Okay.

577
00:22:17,467 --> 00:22:19,067
-...from counc--
from my constituents,

578
00:22:19,067 --> 00:22:21,200
that have said
that they didn't feel that

579
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,901
they could fully participate
in the electoral process.

580
00:22:23,901 --> 00:22:25,234
-Okay. Okay.

581
00:22:25,234 --> 00:22:29,367
-And yes, there is always
the potential for disruption.

582
00:22:29,367 --> 00:22:32,400
But again, it was set up
this way for a reason.

583
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,534
-Okay.

584
00:22:33,534 --> 00:22:36,067
-And yes, this --
the voters will decide,

585
00:22:36,067 --> 00:22:39,601
but council will be put
in the position of saying --

586
00:22:39,601 --> 00:22:43,601
we have to -- by --
by putting it on the ballot,

587
00:22:43,601 --> 00:22:45,734
We are saying there is
a problem right now.

588
00:22:45,734 --> 00:22:47,100
-I see.

589
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:49,234
-And -- And that --
that case has to be made to me.

590
00:22:49,234 --> 00:22:50,367
-Okay.

591
00:22:50,367 --> 00:22:52,701
-The -- The -- I will --
I do want to mention

592
00:22:52,701 --> 00:22:55,467
that this does contain --
the legislation contains

593
00:22:55,467 --> 00:22:59,601
a ballot title that includes
a call for a change,

594
00:22:59,601 --> 00:23:03,567
if the state gives permission,
to even-year elections

595
00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:05,334
for local --
for local governments.

596
00:23:05,334 --> 00:23:07,100
-Right. Right.

597
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:09,501
-That is extremely
concerning to me.

598
00:23:09,501 --> 00:23:10,501
Why?

599
00:23:10,501 --> 00:23:12,267
Because our races,
our elections,

600
00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:13,801
are every other year.

601
00:23:13,801 --> 00:23:16,400
And people -- you know,
local government isn't sexy,

602
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,200
but the decisions
made by those people,

603
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,701
by the -- by officeholders
affect people's lives

604
00:23:22,701 --> 00:23:25,701
every single day,
from public safety to potholes.

605
00:23:25,701 --> 00:23:29,300
And if those races
have to compete on a ballot

606
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:35,167
with state and federal and
potentially presidential race,

607
00:23:35,167 --> 00:23:37,267
I am concerned that --

608
00:23:37,267 --> 00:23:39,133
that people will not get
the information,

609
00:23:39,133 --> 00:23:40,634
because you won't be
reading headlines

610
00:23:40,634 --> 00:23:43,133
about the candidate forum
with, you know...

611
00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:44,267
-Sure.

612
00:23:44,267 --> 00:23:45,267
-...with all the
mayoral candidates,

613
00:23:45,267 --> 00:23:48,400
or with the
city council candidates.

614
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,767
-It'd make for
a crowded ballot.

615
00:23:49,767 --> 00:23:51,100
I see what you're saying.
-Right.

616
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:54,501
A crowded ballot
in a shrinking news landscape.

617
00:23:54,501 --> 00:23:58,234
So, I think that the quality
of public information

618
00:23:58,234 --> 00:24:00,701
is -- is very important when it
comes to local elections.

619
00:24:00,701 --> 00:24:01,901
-Okay.

620
00:24:01,901 --> 00:24:03,000
Thank you for your feedback
on that.

621
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,334
I wanted to talk about
another plan

622
00:24:04,334 --> 00:24:05,901
you have in the works
to expand

623
00:24:05,901 --> 00:24:08,868
the number of electric vehicle
chargers in the city of Seattle.

624
00:24:08,868 --> 00:24:10,334
As I understand it,
City Light

625
00:24:10,334 --> 00:24:12,501
would potentially lease out
city property

626
00:24:12,501 --> 00:24:14,067
to a private company
to run a station

627
00:24:14,067 --> 00:24:16,200
or City Light
might rent out a space

628
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,167
from private property owners
to make this happen.

629
00:24:18,167 --> 00:24:20,734
What's the goal here?
What's happening?

630
00:24:20,734 --> 00:24:24,033
-The goal here
is to make it easier

631
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:26,868
to charge
an electric vehicle.

632
00:24:26,868 --> 00:24:31,200
Brian, the good news
is that 25% --

633
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,868
close to 25% of new vehicles
purchased in Seattle

634
00:24:34,868 --> 00:24:36,033
are electric vehicles.

635
00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:37,167
That's great.

636
00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:39,400
We tend to be
an early adopter city.

637
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,801
The bad news is that our, um --
our network of chargers

638
00:24:44,801 --> 00:24:48,167
of -- of electric vehicle
charging stations has not grown.

639
00:24:48,167 --> 00:24:51,567
So, unless you have a charger
in your --

640
00:24:51,567 --> 00:24:55,167
in your -- in your home,
or apartment complex,

641
00:24:55,167 --> 00:24:56,868
or at your workplace,
it's very difficult --

642
00:24:56,868 --> 00:24:59,801
especially, and what about
for visitors that come.

643
00:24:59,801 --> 00:25:04,334
And so, City Light has installed
electric chargers

644
00:25:04,334 --> 00:25:06,267
on city property.

645
00:25:06,267 --> 00:25:08,300
You know, perhaps that's not
very convenient.

646
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:09,934
So, we have to
get creative.

647
00:25:09,934 --> 00:25:14,834
And this is -- This is allowing
for the flexibility

648
00:25:14,834 --> 00:25:18,667
to partner with a vendor that
could put it on public property

649
00:25:18,667 --> 00:25:21,467
or to partner with
the owner of, say,

650
00:25:21,467 --> 00:25:25,901
a parking lot surrounded by
small businesses,

651
00:25:25,901 --> 00:25:27,901
where people can charge
their car

652
00:25:27,901 --> 00:25:29,801
while they patronize
one of those businesses.

653
00:25:29,801 --> 00:25:31,767
So, there is an economic
development component --

654
00:25:31,767 --> 00:25:33,033
of course I'm always
going to say.

655
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:34,801
-That -- You're the head
of that committee.

656
00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:36,667
-We have to -- We have to
get more creative,

657
00:25:36,667 --> 00:25:41,033
because -- because we need to
fulfill our climate goals

658
00:25:41,033 --> 00:25:44,300
and also implement
the City Light

659
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:46,734
transportation,
electrification plan.

660
00:25:46,734 --> 00:25:47,934
-Right.

661
00:25:47,934 --> 00:25:49,267
The state saying by 2035

662
00:25:49,267 --> 00:25:50,734
we're not supposed to have
any new vehicles

663
00:25:50,734 --> 00:25:52,467
that are not
electrically charged.

664
00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:54,434
So, thank you for that.
Mailbag time, here.

665
00:25:54,434 --> 00:25:56,701
A quick land-use question
for you, here.

666
00:25:56,701 --> 00:25:58,167
Anson writes in this --

667
00:25:58,167 --> 00:26:00,133
"I want to know what's happening
with the proposed affordable

668
00:26:00,133 --> 00:26:02,067
housing development
in Fort Lawton.

669
00:26:02,067 --> 00:26:04,868
The city's own website
hasn't been updated since 2019,

670
00:26:04,868 --> 00:26:07,868
and the inaction seems,
well, irresponsible.

671
00:26:07,868 --> 00:26:09,901
Is this how we deal with
the housing crisis?"

672
00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:11,567
A big question
on Fort Lawton.

673
00:26:11,567 --> 00:26:13,067
I know it's been an issue
for years.

674
00:26:13,067 --> 00:26:14,601
Any thoughts
on this one?

675
00:26:14,601 --> 00:26:16,934
-Can I claim
I'll get back to you?

676
00:26:16,934 --> 00:26:18,300
-Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.

677
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,534
I know this has just been
a big issue for so long.

678
00:26:20,534 --> 00:26:22,133
Maybe we can talk about
affordable housing

679
00:26:22,133 --> 00:26:23,400
writ large
a little bit,

680
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,033
'cause I know
that's an issue for you, too.

681
00:26:25,033 --> 00:26:26,868
Any thoughts
on that bigger issue?

682
00:26:26,868 --> 00:26:31,567
-My -- My position
is that...

683
00:26:31,567 --> 00:26:34,167
anything that we can do
to remove barriers

684
00:26:34,167 --> 00:26:37,968
to -- to expanding
housing options we should do.

685
00:26:37,968 --> 00:26:39,434
-Okay.

686
00:26:39,434 --> 00:26:41,434
-And so, I don't know what
the holdup is at Fort Lawton,

687
00:26:41,434 --> 00:26:43,133
but what I would say
is that

688
00:26:43,133 --> 00:26:45,734
we do have
a housing affordability crisis,

689
00:26:45,734 --> 00:26:48,300
and there are many ways
we can tackle it.

690
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:51,133
We will have the housing levy
on the ballot.

691
00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:52,400
That will be great.

692
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,934
We also have
a lot of --

693
00:26:54,934 --> 00:26:56,901
there are projects
in the pipeline

694
00:26:56,901 --> 00:26:58,167
to build
affordable housing.

695
00:26:58,167 --> 00:27:00,801
We've got the multi-family
tax exemption program,

696
00:27:00,801 --> 00:27:04,167
which -- which puts affordable
units in --

697
00:27:04,167 --> 00:27:06,000
in private developments.

698
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,100
And -- my favorite --
we can make it easier

699
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,167
and less expensive
to produce new units.

700
00:27:12,167 --> 00:27:13,501
And that has to do
with permitting,

701
00:27:13,501 --> 00:27:15,133
cutting some red tape.

702
00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:17,067
So, it's all hands
on deck,

703
00:27:17,067 --> 00:27:18,634
and we need to do
all of the above.

704
00:27:18,634 --> 00:27:19,734
-Thank you.

705
00:27:19,734 --> 00:27:20,834
I appreciate you working with me
on that.

706
00:27:20,834 --> 00:27:22,467
Maybe one last question
to wrap up --

707
00:27:22,467 --> 00:27:23,934
budget priorities
for the fall.

708
00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,467
Can you talk to me
about that?

709
00:27:25,467 --> 00:27:27,701
I know this is a big issue
coming up every fall.

710
00:27:27,701 --> 00:27:29,868
Your thoughts about where
your budget priorities are.

711
00:27:29,868 --> 00:27:31,234
big picture.

712
00:27:31,234 --> 00:27:34,334
-Well, we have already endorsed
the 2024 budget,

713
00:27:34,334 --> 00:27:36,400
and so there will be
very little room

714
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,267
for changes,
and council members

715
00:27:38,267 --> 00:27:41,200
will have to, if they propose
an addition to the budget,

716
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,033
they have got to
identify a cut.

717
00:27:44,033 --> 00:27:48,067
So, I don't know what my other
colleagues are planning,

718
00:27:48,067 --> 00:27:52,000
but I -- in my committee,
we passed a resolution

719
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,801
that endorsed the the Office
of Economic Development's

720
00:27:55,801 --> 00:27:59,467
Future of Seattle Economy
Investment agenda.

721
00:27:59,467 --> 00:28:00,601
-Right.

722
00:28:00,601 --> 00:28:02,133
-Which is -- Which --

723
00:28:02,133 --> 00:28:06,033
And this was the culmination
of a community-driven process

724
00:28:06,033 --> 00:28:11,767
where stakeholders identified
different investment areas

725
00:28:11,767 --> 00:28:14,367
that would help build
generational wealth.

726
00:28:14,367 --> 00:28:15,767
-Sure.

727
00:28:15,767 --> 00:28:18,300
-And so, what I am
going to be focused on

728
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:22,467
is making sure that the --
the investment agenda,

729
00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:25,200
whatever those particular
budget items,

730
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,901
that I'm going to try
to protect those items,

731
00:28:27,901 --> 00:28:31,601
because that is the -- that is
the department that I oversee.

732
00:28:31,601 --> 00:28:35,133
And I think that
economic development is --

733
00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:38,834
is -- we have got to do
everything we possibly can

734
00:28:38,834 --> 00:28:40,968
to promote
economic development,

735
00:28:40,968 --> 00:28:44,434
especially in neighborhoods
where people are being displaced

736
00:28:44,434 --> 00:28:46,334
and opportunities
are far fewer.

737
00:28:46,334 --> 00:28:48,100
-Okay.
Thank you very much for that.

738
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:49,767
I know a lot is still ahead,
and for next year, too,

739
00:28:49,767 --> 00:28:51,567
with a budget gap
to talk about, as well.

740
00:28:51,567 --> 00:28:52,934
Thank you very much,
Councilmember Nelson.

741
00:28:52,934 --> 00:28:55,100
Thanks for everybody
who's watching out there.

742
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,801
We'll see you next time
on "Council Edition."

743
00:28:57,801 --> 00:29:04,634
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744
00:29:04,634 --> 00:29:11,367
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745
00:29:11,367 --> 00:29:18,133
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